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Wen Tzu
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:07:00 -
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I don't get much time a week for EvE (usually 6-9 hrs a week), with that amount of time I didn't think I would be able to give much input to a player run corp so I thought about setting myself up as a miner, I have scoured this forum and have read all the articles I could find on the subject but I have this feeling I have either misunderstood something or am missing something entirely.
My plan was to get my mining skills up and then look towards refining (from there I'm not sure yet). I have got to the point where I have the following relevant skills:
Mining - 5 Astrogeology - 5 Refining - 5 Refining Efficiency - 5 I haven't got any ore specific refining skills yet nor do I have any mining or refining relevant implants.
My standing with the local NPC Corp is 6.67 and I am flying a Retriever with 2 x Strip Miners nipping back and forth to the space station (with 50% efficiency) I am only mining in high-sec and generally stick to Scordite.
I am comparing the ammounts of isk I would be getting from selling a hold load of unprocessed Ore to refining it and selling it and there doesn't seem to be that much difference. To do this I have been comparing the best closest buyers price to the price I would get if I nipped off to sell at my local trade hub
Am I missing something obvious, am I running the wrong choice of ship/equipment/ore, incorrect skills, not understanding the market correctly, is there no profit in mining in high-sec or is mining only going to be profitable for someone with a lot more time on their hands? |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:47:00 -
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Tear Anasarsy wrote:I probably just rambled too much, so I apologise! No not at all With my current stats I'm getting 99.5%. I'll start training the relevant Ore Processing skills to get it to 100% But with that I'm guessing the difference to not processing won't be much.
Is this what I should be expecting from solo mining in high-sec?
Edit: Re-read you rpost and noted the bit about bulk trade channels, I'll look into that. Am I going to need a stockbrokers business head to be able to do that and 'play with the big boys'? |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:05:00 -
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Aaron Booker wrote:You are not going to get rich from solo mining in high-sec. I would recommend you do some PI as well, you can modify your planets while you are out mining, and then go and pick your stuff up every few days. It may also help if you can move the goods yourself (i.e. with freighter) or find someone willing to buy all of those minerals at your location. As freighting services will cut into your profits as well (although only slightly). If you only mine scordite, get scordite processing to 4 so you can use the T2 Mining Crystals in your T2 Strip Miner. Are you using T2 Strip Miners? Because T2 Strip Miners are worse than T1 if you are not using the Mining Crystals (which you haven't trained for yet). Other than that, move up to Exhumer when you can and look into doing PI. Oooh lots of things to look into, thank you.
PI does look interesting. I will certainly see what is involved there. Thanks for the tip on Scordite Processing, no I am only using T1 strip miners, thankfully I did read the various mining guides online or otherwise I'm the kind of person who would have blindly forked out for the T2 thinking they were better . Will also have a look at the Exhumer
Thank you for being up front about the lack of profits with soloing in high-sec, good to know that I was doing pretty much everything I could do to eek out as much profit as possible. |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:26:00 -
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Aaron Booker wrote:While the profits are low, you are also not risking much of your assets. If you stick to retrievers you can purchase a new one with only a few hours of mining. If you do PI as well that will net you another 200mil a month with minimal effort. You can continue on this path, training whatever else you want to do in the game until you get more time, with quite the nest egg built up. While solo mining in a Retriever I would not expect more than 10-15 mil per hour profit. But with 6-9 hours a week and with 200 mil per month in PI you can still bring in 400 - 600 mil a month. If you train Ice Harvesting, and find an Ice Belt you can make much more mining it than Ore. The Ice Belts don't last very long however, and there are far less Ice Belts than Ore Belts. Also you can train drone skills and Mining Drones to increase your yield. I considered Ice but assumed from reading up on it that unless you were prepared to be there when they refresh it wasn't worth the effort as they disapear quickly. As for drones I started out mining with drones but dropped them once I was able to use the strip miners. My drone hold now holds defence drones to protect me from rats, it does mean I can semi-AFK whilst mining. Was that a poor choice?
Karak Bol wrote:And after Mining, Refining and PI comes probably using your own minerals to produce stuff to make even more money. Then a Trader to sell it in the most efficient way. If making money in Eve is you goal, the sky is the limit :D Noted, thank you. |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:07:00 -
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Big thank you for all the above advise.
I think I definately now have some form of direction to work towards. I is good to know that currently I've not done too much incorrectly and that the fiscal returns I'm seeing are quite normal.
I will now work on filling in a few gaps in the form of specific Ore Processing/mining skills and also T2 strip miners with crystals. I will also consider a long term project of investigating PI set ups. And finally work towards a hauler ship for moving all this stuff about and then maybe a larger mining vessel. |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.20 10:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The 5 Bill ISK I made from it (and making Fuel Blocks) this past month highly disagrees. 
Cool, OK I'll add it to my To-Do list. |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:22:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:When you're talking about 30,000M3 worth of ore then no there is a very minor difference in price after refining. But once you get into fleets, start getting mining boosts, have higher skills, etc. the difference is pretty considerable. It might take you 45 minutes to fill 30,000M3 of ore but players who play multipule accounts, have boosts, T2 crystals, maxed skills can mine far greater volumes of ore, so refining becomes very important (I can mine something like 24,000M3 of ore every 2 minutes roughly for example). I see. I kind of thought as much, if I want to make the big money I would have to get involved in bigger operations either through fleet mining or multiple accounts. It makes sense, I'm never going to get to that point from the small amount of time I can give to Eve and also to the sporadic times I can play, but saying that I never expected to be making big bucks. But this does clarify what I was seeing when I did the maths and your advise shows me that I haven't been doing anything (too much) wrong.
Instead I can simply enjoy the journey of improving my solo mining and then using the skills learned to go on to incorporate them into some of the suggested occupations above, PI, manufacturing etc. All still small scale but, for me, simply passing the time doing something enjoyable.
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Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.22 07:44:00 -
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Darryn Lowe wrote:I recommend getting enough to purchase a Mackinaw because it has 35,000m3 orehold. It is really aimed at ice mining but it is the best solo semi-afk miner out there. I've had my eye on a Mackinaw for a while, it will definitely be my next choice of ship. |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:19:00 -
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Saleani Tsolyani wrote:If you enjoy mining, don't have a lot of time to play per week, then I would recommend mining missions. I chose agents based on whether their corp has level 4 R&D agents. Some are very quick, some take forever (such as the ones where you have to slow boat 40km to your rock). There are a mix of gas, ice and asteroid mining. By the time you do level 3 mining missions, I recommend T2 drones. You get your own pocket of space to mine in, with special asteroids (you could use mining crystals on them, but I don't think they're worth it). Some missions have specific rats that appear. You can get normal belt rats for the system. If your mission spawns drones, I recommend salvaging the wrecks. Armor plates have gone up in price (the new capital sized rigs need about 5x more than large rigs, and armor tanked capitals are the standard).
I have to admit this wasn't an area I had considered. How does this work? Obviously to get my standing up for refining I did a heap load of mining missions but I recall the stuff I was mining for the mission wasn't sell-able. Or have I got the wrong idea? |

Wen Tzu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:58:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:No, it's not sellable, well you can on contract, but there won't be much demand.
So is the profit from Mining missions simply from the isk reward for doing the mission and it's bonus? |
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